Hey,guys/DS [this is a poke], you all make great points regarding the notion of 1000 True Fans. And JH, the searing honesty of the examples you raise in particular touches my heart.
In our discussions regarding how to develop 1000 True Fans, we certainly need to focus on the "elephant in the room" that we haven't talked much about here, which JH brings up without fear or favor - i.e., the allure of T & A [tits and ass] in our pop culture and what it bodes for the future of music.
We will save this "hot" item for another day because it deserves separate and focussed discussion.
Clif [cc: Artists mentioned below and/or other readers of this thread], this blog about NIN 's crowdsourcing Ghosts to become a combined aural/video/whatever(i.e.,multi-media) series is right in line with a discussion we started at Silver Bone Tone's More pics blog.
Some quick additional thoughts:
1. NIN is already globally recognized and has tremendous crowd pull. Other artists less well-known could also benefit from the collaborative process to combine aural and visual art to enhance the aesthetic experience for their works as well. The open and distributed Web is/should be the great equalizer to showcase creative work.
2. TR and NIN become the arbiter of crowdsourcing by virtue of the fact that he/they are in effect the controller of the platform being established for the experiment. I don't know whether this is good or bad [I would like to think about this more]. Since NIN is the original creator of the Ghost tracks, I suppose they should stand in the center of the ring being ring-master of all that flows from the original work of art even as it is enhanced by the "crowd".
3. I notice that the crowd commentary at the YouTube site for the experiement is pretty raucous - reminiscent of much of the "trash-talk" you get when the mass of humanity discover "a cool place to be" - IT NO LONGER IS COOL. This is a real problem with "crowd-sourcing" - sorting out the signal from the noise [more about this later.]
4. Other artists like your goodself, Silver Bone Tone, WebOfDistress, Dredg, Flitch, The Opposite Of Faith [to name a few] are also doing some pretty cool stuff here to integrate our aural and visual sensibilities. As this gains further traction [and I see it happening in the artist music and multi-media tabs, fans playlists, mixtapes, etc.], we should try to develop collaborative momentum on this kind of multi-media creativity that pushes out the envelope of the possible in cyber-space.
5. A basic problem with the NIN/YouTube initiative on Ghosts and the crowdsourcing [great link] initiatve that they are undertaking (as I see it evolving at the YouTube site) is that it is replicating everything that is both good and bad about the web generally - it is a big tent and more than a three-ring circus. There is no agreed upon score-keeping/house-keeping to develop some order [other than as directed by a centralized ring-master - in this case Trent and/or NIN].
6. We have all been struggling with the vexing questions of how to deal with Identity of Voice on the Web, Web Chaos, Digital For Free, Web Spam, Web Trolls - the list goes on. I think a more developed notion of SocialBuxx™ as The New Social Currency may be what we need to provide a neutral score-keeping and house-keeping function to create social cohesion and order on the Web - at least as it relates to Indie Artists and a digital platform without the de facto censorship [good or bad] implicit in centralized control].
[I will repost this comment at Silver Bone Tone's "More Pics" Blog referenced above [because it was his blog and your blog here that got me started] and also at the Artists' pages that I mentioned above as a "poke" to stimulate some further thinking about what is possible on this platform through collective action and development of SocialBuxx™ which, again, I think is a powerful concept if we can start to frame the parameters of how it will work.]
Thank you for your comment. I do believe before Fuzz goes into Internet radio or streaming - they (or all of us) should find a way of making the playlists more attractive. In my opinion most artists here don't tap the full potential of the playlists......loved to hear more of your songs, by the way.
Greetings from Berlin,
B*
Nice li'l medley there. I'll be looking for more. Hope to see it soonish. Liking what I hear so far. Hit me back sometime.
Joshua http://saro.fuzz.com/
As a long-time practitioner and believer [until recently] in "creative destruction", I was hooked by your blog question: What is the Opposite of Faith? You have a novel approach to your artistic undertaking that bears watchin'/listenin'. I think your efforts will contribute to music and art on this site. I especially look forward to your experiments and commentary as an on-going "live" experience.
In our discussions regarding how to develop 1000 True Fans, we certainly need to focus on the "elephant in the room" that we haven't talked much about here, which JH brings up without fear or favor - i.e., the allure of T & A [tits and ass] in our pop culture and what it bodes for the future of music.
We will save this "hot" item for another day because it deserves separate and focussed discussion.
Clif [cc: Artists mentioned below and/or other readers of this thread], this blog about NIN 's crowdsourcing Ghosts to become a combined aural/video/whatever(i.e.,multi-media) series is right in line with a discussion we started at Silver Bone Tone's More pics blog.
Some quick additional thoughts:
1. NIN is already globally recognized and has tremendous crowd pull. Other artists less well-known could also benefit from the collaborative process to combine aural and visual art to enhance the aesthetic experience for their works as well. The open and distributed Web is/should be the great equalizer to showcase creative work.
2. TR and NIN become the arbiter of crowdsourcing by virtue of the fact that he/they are in effect the controller of the platform being established for the experiment. I don't know whether this is good or bad [I would like to think about this more]. Since NIN is the original creator of the Ghost tracks, I suppose they should stand in the center of the ring being ring-master of all that flows from the original work of art even as it is enhanced by the "crowd".
3. I notice that the crowd commentary at the YouTube site for the experiement is pretty raucous - reminiscent of much of the "trash-talk" you get when the mass of humanity discover "a cool place to be" - IT NO LONGER IS COOL. This is a real problem with "crowd-sourcing" - sorting out the signal from the noise [more about this later.]
4. Other artists like your goodself, Silver Bone Tone, WebOfDistress, Dredg, Flitch, The Opposite Of Faith [to name a few] are also doing some pretty cool stuff here to integrate our aural and visual sensibilities. As this gains further traction [and I see it happening in the artist music and multi-media tabs, fans playlists, mixtapes, etc.], we should try to develop collaborative momentum on this kind of multi-media creativity that pushes out the envelope of the possible in cyber-space.
5. A basic problem with the NIN/YouTube initiative on Ghosts and the crowdsourcing [great link] initiatve that they are undertaking (as I see it evolving at the YouTube site) is that it is replicating everything that is both good and bad about the web generally - it is a big tent and more than a three-ring circus. There is no agreed upon score-keeping/house-keeping to develop some order [other than as directed by a centralized ring-master - in this case Trent and/or NIN].
6. We have all been struggling with the vexing questions of how to deal with Identity of Voice on the Web, Web Chaos, Digital For Free, Web Spam, Web Trolls - the list goes on. I think a more developed notion of SocialBuxx™ as The New Social Currency may be what we need to provide a neutral score-keeping and house-keeping function to create social cohesion and order on the Web - at least as it relates to Indie Artists and a digital platform without the de facto censorship [good or bad] implicit in centralized control].
[I will repost this comment at Silver Bone Tone's "More Pics" Blog referenced above [because it was his blog and your blog here that got me started] and also at the Artists' pages that I mentioned above as a "poke" to stimulate some further thinking about what is possible on this platform through collective action and development of SocialBuxx™ which, again, I think is a powerful concept if we can start to frame the parameters of how it will work.]
Food for thought.
Greetings from Berlin,
B*
Joshua
http://saro.fuzz.com/